Inequality with a,b,c sides of a triangle

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Inequality with a,b,c sides of a triangle

Unread post by Katy729 » Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:24 pm

Let $a,b$ and $c$ be sides of a triangle. Prove that:
$\frac{\sqrt{b+c-a}}{\sqrt{b}+\sqrt{c}-\sqrt{a}}+\frac{\sqrt{c+a-b}}{\sqrt{c}+\sqrt{a}-\sqrt{b}}+\frac{\sqrt{a+b-c}}{\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b}-\sqrt{c}}\leq 3$

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Re: Inequality with a,b,c sides of a triangle

Unread post by Atonu Roy Chowdhury » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:47 pm

$\sqrt{b}+\sqrt{c}-\sqrt{a}=x,\sqrt{c}+\sqrt{a}-\sqrt{b}=y,\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b}-\sqrt{c}=z$

$$\sum_{cyc} \frac{\sqrt{b+c-a}}{\sqrt{b}+\sqrt{c}-\sqrt{a}} = \sum_{cyc} \sqrt{1- \frac{(x-y)(x-z)}{2x^2}} \le \sum_{cyc} 1-\frac{(x-y)(x-z)}{4x^2} = 3 - \frac{1}{4} \sum_{cyc} x^{-2}(x-y)(x-z) $$

So, we need to prove $$\sum_{cyc} x^{-2}(x-y)(x-z) \ge 0$$ which is obviously true by Schur's ineq.
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Re: Inequality with a,b,c sides of a triangle

Unread post by Katy729 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:24 pm

Sorry Atonu, but I don't understand some passages... :(
Why exactly

$$\sum_{cyc} \frac{\sqrt{b+c-a}}{\sqrt{b}+\sqrt{c}-\sqrt{a}}=
\sum_{cyc} \sqrt{1- \frac{(x-y)(x-z)}{2x^2}} \le \sum_{cyc} 1-\frac{(x-y)(x-z)}{4x^2} = 3 - \frac{1}{4} \sum_{cyc} x^{-2}(x-y)(x-z) $$ ?

And how do you use exactly Shur's inequality to show that $$\sum_{cyc} x^{-2}(x-y)(x-z) \ge 0$$ ?

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Re: Inequality with a,b,c sides of a triangle

Unread post by Atonu Roy Chowdhury » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:45 pm

Katy729 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:24 pm
Sorry Atonu, but I don't understand some passages... :(
Why exactly

\[ \sum_{cyc} \frac{\sqrt{b+c-a}}{\sqrt{b}+\sqrt{c}-\sqrt{a}}=
\sum_{cyc} \sqrt{1- \frac{(x-y)(x-z)}{2x^2}} \le \sum_{cyc} (1-\frac{(x-y)(x-z)}{4x^2}) = 3 - \frac{1}{4} \sum_{cyc} x^{-2}(x-y)(x-z) \] ?

And how do you use exactly Shur's inequality to show that $$\sum_{cyc} x^{-2}(x-y)(x-z) \ge 0$$ ?
$ \sqrt{b}+\sqrt{c}-\sqrt{a}=x \Rightarrow b+c-a=x^2- 2a-2\sqrt{bc}+2\sqrt{ca}+2\sqrt{ab}= x^2 - \frac{1}{2}(x-y)(x-z)$
$\therefore \frac{\sqrt{b+c-a}}{\sqrt{b}+\sqrt{c}-\sqrt{a}} = \sqrt{\frac{x^2 - \frac{1}{2}(x-y)(x-z)}{x^2}}=\sqrt{1 - \frac{(x-y)(x-z)}{2x^2}}$
Let $\frac{(x-y)(x-z)}{x^2}=n$. Now, all I wanted to do is flip the root. That is, $\sqrt{1-\frac{n}{2}}=\sqrt{1-2\frac{n}{4}} \le \sqrt{1-2\frac{n}{4}+\frac{n^2}{16}} = 1- \frac{n}{4}$.

And, Schur's ineq states that \[ \sum_{cyc}x^n(x-y)(x-z) \ge 0 \] for positive real $x,y,z$ and integer $n$.
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Re: Inequality with a,b,c sides of a triangle

Unread post by Katy729 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:26 pm

Thanks Atonu, now is clear! :)
Only a doubt, can you put a link where is wrote the property that you say?
Because I found that the exponent ($n$) must be positive, yes in your cases the numbers are positive but where is wrote? I saw here but I didn't find the property that you say... :(

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schur%27s_inequality

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Re: Inequality with a,b,c sides of a triangle

Unread post by Atonu Roy Chowdhury » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:36 pm

Katy729 wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:26 pm
Thanks Atonu, now is clear! :)
Only a doubt, can you put a link where is wrote the property that you say?
Because I found that the exponent ($n$) must be positive, yes in your cases the numbers are positive but where is wrote? I saw here but I didn't find the property that you say... :(

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schur%27s_inequality
Okay, the exponent must not be positive. One can easily prove that if the exponent is negative, the inequality still holds.
And, you can see $x,y,z$ are obv positive. Because, $b+c>a \Rightarrow b+c+2\sqrt{bc}>a \Rightarrow (\sqrt{b}+\sqrt{c})^2>(\sqrt{a})^2 \Rightarrow \sqrt{b}+\sqrt{c}-\sqrt{a}>0$
I think now it is clear.
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Re: Inequality with a,b,c sides of a triangle

Unread post by Katy729 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:53 pm

Yes, now understand. Very gentle Atonu! :)

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Re: Inequality with a,b,c sides of a triangle

Unread post by Atonu Roy Chowdhury » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:25 pm

Katy729 wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:53 pm
Yes, now understand. Very gentle Atonu! :)
Okay, you can check this out if you have confusion about the proof of negative exponent.
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